Justin Rudd's Radio Weblog

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Monday, April 29, 2002

I've been reading quotes from here for awhile now. I read one a while back (3 or 4 months) that I could never find again. Well...if you generate random quotes long enough you will find the one you want...

Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform.
   - Mark Twain

9:35:03 PM

Mark Baker emailed me to point out what the issue with RPC part of SOAP and REST is [thanks Mark]. So are people using SOAP in the messaging style ?, I don't know of a single toolkit that defaults to messaging style SOAP [I discount ASP.NET in this case, as although it defaults to doc/literal SOAP, the messages it defines have RPC semantics] [Simon Fell]

I'm using ASP.NET in a messaging format. I use the parameter style bare so that the runtime doesn't "wrap" my message with the nonsense that it uses. This gives me complete control over the type of XML body that I process. Then I can move that message into my existing framework.

I can also only assume that ASP.NET is discounted because out of the box it will match elements to parameters of the method. This is both fortunate and unfortunate. As I mentioned in an early post, I like frameworks that hide the details from me. But hiding these details can be dangerous if you ignore what is going on behind the scenes.

7:47:06 PM

Interview: Ozzie's Groove moves toward edge services [IDG InfoWorld]

Cool. Although I must say I am waiting for more interesting use cases than P2P blogging.

7:39:26 PM

The SOAP Data Model and soon the XSD Data Model are the wire protocol. Am I misguided in believing this?

My idea is simple. At least I think it is. SOAP (either section 5 or XSD) is the wire protocol. And it is a 2 year old protocol. As tools start to interop better (there is some great work being done on this front today), the need to look at what is on the wire will be moot. Just like we don't look at other remoting packets anymore. But the protocol is 2 years old. Give it some time.

I realize that the more you hide the more "danger" you can put people into. I'm sure most seasoned distributed developers have run across that remote interface that has a bunch of properties and cringed. Guess what? We'll see the same thing again. It's a given.

Me? I'm going to move along with my ISAPI framework that works with the XSD Data Model. I'm in the middle of moving pieces of it to ASP.NET. When ASP.NET can handle everything I want (and it probably can, just haven't figured it all out yet), then I'll dump my ISAPI framework and use ASP.NET exclusively. Will I look back? Nope. Got better things to do with my time.

7:31:31 PM